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	<title>Comments on: More on Fatherhood</title>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.parmet.net/david/2003/12/22/more-on-fatherhood/#comment-188</link>
		<author>Gary</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well . . . if you go back to the Hobbit you have Gloin, father of Gimli.  Also, Legolas' father Thranduil is described in the Hobbit . . . Something could be said about passing along honor and loyalty to their sons (though Thranduil did it a long time ago . . . when do Elves reach maturity anyway?  18?  118?)

But, you're right, there is a stunning lack of Father figures in the books (and movies).  Gandalf is wise and knowing.  Aragorn protective.  Theodon accepting and loving (though a bit blinded by his own ideals at times).  

However, you have to remember Elrond.  He's a full-fledged father in the books, as Arwen is the fruit of his Elven loins.

And, oddly, you could go back to Sam whose Journey allows him to become a father, and probably a damn fine one at that.  Of all the characters, Sam learns and gains the most in the books, the least of which would be Rose and Elanore.  

Saruman could be viewed as the betraying Step Father, ala Claudius in Hamlet.  Gandalf, at least at one point, viewed him as a fatherly type, least of all because of his position on the Wizard's Council.  He certainly portrayed that visage.  Gandalf seeks his council and advice and is betrayed.

So, if you look at parental themes in the books and movies, both Frodo and Aragorn are orphan heros.  Plus, who's the mommy?  Galadrial?  I'm sure Gimli wouldn't mind nuzzling up to her and calling her Mommy . . .

Oops.  Went too far.  Again.
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<p>But, you&#8217;re right, there is a stunning lack of Father figures in the books (and movies).  Gandalf is wise and knowing.  Aragorn protective.  Theodon accepting and loving (though a bit blinded by his own ideals at times).  </p>
<p>However, you have to remember Elrond.  He&#8217;s a full-fledged father in the books, as Arwen is the fruit of his Elven loins.</p>
<p>And, oddly, you could go back to Sam whose Journey allows him to become a father, and probably a damn fine one at that.  Of all the characters, Sam learns and gains the most in the books, the least of which would be Rose and Elanore.  </p>
<p>Saruman could be viewed as the betraying Step Father, ala Claudius in Hamlet.  Gandalf, at least at one point, viewed him as a fatherly type, least of all because of his position on the Wizard&#8217;s Council.  He certainly portrayed that visage.  Gandalf seeks his council and advice and is betrayed.</p>
<p>So, if you look at parental themes in the books and movies, both Frodo and Aragorn are orphan heros.  Plus, who&#8217;s the mommy?  Galadrial?  I&#8217;m sure Gimli wouldn&#8217;t mind nuzzling up to her and calling her Mommy . . .</p>
<p>Oops.  Went too far.  Again.</p>
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